Anti-Obama backlash: right-wingers broach "secession"

On the heels of talk about forming an an anti-Obama "underground," the right-wing talk radio set is now broaching actual secession from the union. The liberal blog Think Progress Nov. 25 posted an audio link from a recent broadcast by shock-jock Glenn Beck. Here's the offending quote:

So the question is, do states have the right to secede anymore? Because it was a compact. It's not perpetual. In fact, in the Declaration of Independence it says it is our right, it is our responsibility to get away from a government who doesn't listen to us any more.

Do you even have a right to do that as a state any more? Do you have the right to say, "You know what, you guys are going down a path that I don't even agree with"? Is that even possible?

"Anymore"? Nowhere in the Constitution does it say states have the rights to secede, and the question was settled rather definitively with the Civil War. As for the Declaration of Independence, the invocation is rather an irony. Many of the grievances enumerated there against King George III apply equally to George Bush. Read for yourself:

The History of the present King [George] is a history of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States... He has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harass our People, and eat out their Substance [Homeland Security Department, PATRIOT Act]... He has affected to render the Military independent of, and superior to the Civil Power. [Guantánamo tribunals] He has combined with others to subject us to a Jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws [violations of habeas corpus, Fourth Amendment (electronic snooping), separation of powers (Iraq security pact)]; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended legislation: For quartering large Bodies of Armed Troops among us [Northern Command, use of the military for domestic policing]; For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit [Military Commissions Act]... For depriving us in many cases, of the Benefits of Trial by Jury [declaring citizens "enemy combatants"]... For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences ["extraordinary rendition"]... He has plundered our Seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our Towns, and destroyed the Lives of our People [Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.]... In every stage of these Oppressions we have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble Terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated Injury. A Prince, whose Character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the Ruler of a free People.

Yet Beck didn't talk about secession under President Bush, or utter a peep of protest against any of these abuses. In fact, he appealed for national unity against terrorism (and the Islamic world generally) in what he called "World War III." But now that a Black man is going to be president—before he even takes office, Beck is preparing a new assault on Fort Sumter...

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Threats against Obama soar

Greg Mitchell of Editor & Publisher has been keeping tabs, and reports his findings on Huffington Post Nov. 15:

Racial Incidents and Threats Against Obama Soar: Here Is a Chronicle
Since election day, the number of threats against the president-elect, and racial or violent incidents directed at his supporters, have soared. The Secret Service is concerned, calling it the highest number of threats against a President-elect in memory, but the national media until this weekend have largely ignored the disturbing pattern...

Some claim that, given the size of this great country of ours, the incidents don't amount to much or are merely anecdotal. I would argue: The ones we know about may represent only the tip of the iceberg -- the ones that make it into the local press. And, yes, they may die down as the country gets used to the idea of a President Obama. On the other hand: They could soar again as that reality nears.

So let me just briefly list the full range of episodes, which doesn't even include several cross burnings on front lawns. These aren't necessarily the worst but they do capture the national flavor/fever. Note that about 2 out of 3 took place in states that Obama won.

* In a Maine convenience store, an Associated Press reporter saw a sign inviting customers to join a betting pool on when Obama might fall victim to an assassin. The sign solicited $1 entries into "The Osama Obama Shotgun Pool," saying the money would go to the person picking the date closest to when Obama was attacked. "Let's hope we have a winner."

* In Idaho, the Secret Service is investigating a "public hanging" sign erected by a man upset with the election outcome, the Bonner County Daily Bee reported Thursday. A handmade sign posted on a tree reads "FREE PUBLIC HANGING" written in large letters beneath a noose fashioned from nylon rope. The most prominent name on the sign is "OBAMA," according to the Bee. "That's a political statement. They can call it whatever they want, a threat or whatever," the creator of the sign, Ken Germana, told the Bee.

* A popular white supremacist Web sites got more than 2,000 new members the day after the election, compared with 91 new members on Election Day. The site, stormfront.org, was temporarily off-line on Nov. 5 because of the overwhelming amount of activity it received. One poster, identified as Dalderian Germanicus, of North Las Vegas, said, "I want the SOB laid out in a box to see how 'messiahs' come to rest."

* From the Orange County (Ca.) Register: "Two gang members pleaded not guilty Thursday to hate crime and attempted robbery charges in connection with the beating of a black man who was trying to buy cigarettes at a Fullerton liquor store." The two men shouted racial and anti-Obama epithets in the attack.

* From today's New York Times: "Two white Staten Island men face hate crimes charges after they were arrested on Friday in the beating of a black teenager on the night that Barack Obama was elected president, the police said on Saturday. The teenager, Alie Kamara, 17, was walking home on Pine Place in the Staten Island neighborhood of Stapleton when several men hit him on the head with a baseball bat and yelled 'Obama,' said Aliya Latif, the civil rights director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, who was in contact with Alie's family since the attack and spoke to his mother on Saturday after the arrests were announced."

* In Mississippi alone, the American Civil Liberties Union has received more than 10 calls since the staff first reported anti-Obama incidents last Friday, according to the Jackson (Miss.) Free Press.

* In Midland, Mich., a man dressed in full Ku Klux Klan regalia walked around toting a handgun and waving an American flag. Initially denying it, the man eventually admitted to police that the display was a reaction to the Obama victory. "[The man] had a concealed weapon permit and was walking up and down the sidewalk in front of a vehicle dealership while some motorists shouted obscenities at him and others shouted accolades," police told The Saginaw News.

* Parents in Rexburg, Idaho, contacted school officials this week after they learned that 2nd and 3rd graders on a school bus were chanting, "Assasssinate Obama!"

* At the University of Texas in Austin, a racist post on Facebook has cost one student his place on the university football team, according to the Houston Chronicle. Buck Burnette, a sophomore offensive lineman for the fourth-ranked Texas Longhorns, was dismissed from the team on Nov. 5 after posting a racist remark about President-elect Obama as his "status" on the social networking Web site. Burnette posted: "All the hunters gather up, we have a [slur] in the White House," the Chronicle reported.

* AP reports: "While the world watched a Grant Park celebration heralding the election of the first black U.S. president, some white Chicago police officers committed hate crimes against black residents cheering Barack Obama's victory elsewhere in the city, attorneys alleged Thursday." Lawsuits have been filed.

* At Appalachian State University, the administration has expressed disappointment at the numerous times black students have expressed being harassed in residence halls since the election. The Appalachian, a student newspaper serving the university, also reported conversations suggesting Obama may not be alive in 2009 and a t-shirt seen around campus that reads "Obama '08, Biden '09."

* Mentioned in the same article, racist comments were discovered at North Carolina State University last week. Spray-painted in university's free expression tunnel after the election were the phrases, "Kill that n..." and "Shoot Obama," the Appalachian reported. The NAACP has called for the expulsion of the four students accused of the graffitti, the Associated Press reported Thursday.

* The Associated Press revealed on Wednesday, "Police on eastern Long Island are investigating reports that more than a dozen cars were spray painted with racist graffiti, reportedly including a message targeting President-elect Barack Obama. The graffiti included racist slurs and sexually graphic references. At least one resident in the quiet Mastic neighborhood told Newsday her son's car was scribbled with a message threatening to kill Obama."

* Employees at Hampel's Key and Lockshop in Traverse City, Michigan, flew an American flag upside down last Wednesday protesting of the new president-elect, the Traverse City Record-Eagle reported. One worker used a racial slur during an interview with the Record-Eagle: "(The inverted flag is) an international signal for distress and we feel our country is in distress because the n----- got in," said Hampel's employee Rod Nyland, who later apologized for the comment, according to the Record-Eagle.

* Authorities in Temecula, Calif., found spray-painted graffiti on a city sidewalk containing a swastika and anti-Obama slogan. And from the Los Angeles Times: "Vandals spray-painted swastikas and racial slurs on a house and several cars in Torrance that displayed campaign signs or bumper stickers for President-elect Barack Obama, authorities said Tuesday. The incidents occurred Saturday night in the Hollywood Riviera section of the city, said Sgt. Bernard Anderson. Four separate incidents were reported the next day, he said. No arrests have been made."

* And from Maine: "More than 75 people rallied Sunday against an incident last week in which black figures were hanged by nooses from trees on Mount Desert Island the day after Barack Obama won the presidential election," according to the Bangor Daily News.

Secession

Larry Kilgore won 225,000 votes running as a Texas Secession candiate while Bush was in office. Mr. Kilgore is running for Texas Governor 2010. As you stated in your post the constitution is silent on the issue of secession. Therefore the tenth ammendment whould allow a state to secede. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
"Texans have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.” Texas Constitution - Article 1- Section 2

"Yet Beck didn't talk about

"Yet Beck didn't talk about secession under President Bush"
Actually it's not even january yet, so yeah... he did talk about recession under President Bush

Anti-Obama backlash: right-wingers broach "secession"

Why can't you at least be honest? Beck has been screaming about these abuses from every moutaintop for a VERY long time. By the way, George Bush is STILL president, Senator O'Bama has not been sworn in yet - it is irrelevant WHO is president, it matters who will stop these abuses that make people think about their own rights.

Know the constitution, unite under the principles that formed this country and take the action that will PREVENT the next world war!

Your bias is showing.

Your bias is showing large dude. If you listened to Beck you would know he said all those things UNDER PRESIDENT BUSH! Your statement this is about Barack Obama is disingenuous and misleading. Beck was saying all these things over a year ago ABOUT GEORGE BUSH! But since that doesn't fit your agenda, you conveniently ignore that.

Your "list" comparing GWB with King George III is similarly misleading. If you were to critically look at the FDR administration your could make similar comparisons as well as with the Lincoln administration and many many other Presidents over the years.

While I'm not a huge Beck fan, at least you get opinion labeled as opinion, not whitewashed as journalism.

you are an idiot

You are an idiot. Obviously you don't listen to the show. Nice try left wing wacko.

Secession comments

You apparently don't listen to Glenn Beck's show. If you did, you'd understand that the comments he made are concerning the government in general. So the "peep" that you claim wasn't uttered under George Bush is an erroneous statement on your part. The last time I check George W. Bush was still the President and Beck's comments where made recently weren't they?

It doesn't matter who the person in the executive branch is so stop playing the race card. There is one race and that's the Human Race. Anyone who believes otherwise I pity. The crazy train is rolling and Joe Public doesn't seem to care that it's out of control as long as there are enough X-Box's on the shelves for Christmas. The Big Government system that has been allowed to fester since the early 1900's is going to destroy everything America was founded on. Have some guts and address that. Then address the Obama agenda and honestly say that it won't push us further done the wrong road as the Bush administration has.

the black guy's bailing out Wall Street

As Think Progress points out Beck is wondering about succession as a protest against the various Wall Street bailouts, not opposing Obama's election as implied above. However it is doubtful that Beck would be on the same rant with a Pres Elect McCain.

Actual News

It would be nice for a change if people who wrote in these blogs actually researched before they came about and slandered anyone wither it be President Elect Barak Obama or someone in the media.

1. Who in talk radio has ever talk about an Anti-Obama underground?

2. When we signed the Constitution we did away with the principles of the Declaration of Independence? If a government goes out of control we no longer have the right to peaceably to say we no longer want to be a part of this anymore. Does this leave us that we have to take up arms?

3. It is true about the comparisons between then and now about George W. Bush vs. the Declaration of Independence and King George vs. the same. However, to say that Glenn has never spoken about recession during the presidency of George W. Bush kinda misses the mark as our current president is still George W. Bush. (The Inauguration of President Elect Obama happens NEXT year) Indeed it was over a year ago that he (Glenn) began to talk about how bad things are with the weasels in Washington at this magnitude.

So again it would be nice if before you wrote things you would get the facts first.

Responses

We should have mentioned that the secession comments were ostensibly about the Wall Street bailout, but Glenn was not talking about secession until after Obama was elected and we think that is a pretty clear subtext.

Sean Hannity spoke about forming a "underground." Click on the link, that's what it's there for.

Secession

"Nowhere in the Constitution does it say states have the rights to secede, and the question was settled rather definitively with the Civil War."

Whoa.

I suppose Ike Turner settled rather definitevely who's boss when he had to punch Tina to the ground, too. After all, she had make a vow of obedience to him.

Oh, and the Consitution wasn't designed to tell the sovereign States what they couldn't do -- it was rather a limit on the powers delegated to the Federal government. That's why the 9th and 10th amendments were made an integral part of the Constitution.

Bottom line: NOTHING in the ratification of the Constitution negated or surrendered the rights proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence. NOTHING.

here come the wingnuts

What is it about a black guy getting elected that all of a sudden has right wing weirdos posting on a progressive blog? States rights arguments take on a lot of rhetoric but end up being about whether the Feds can force civil rights on the south, and, if you're Ron Paul, about whether the Federal government can enforce environmental regulations. Do you white guys really miss the Confederacy that much? Budget cuts limiting the civil war reenactor after parties?

'surrendered the rights proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence'

So you're worried that the libruls will turn us back over to the British? Taxation without representation may have been cheaper in the long run.

Obama

Why do allyou leftists insist on referring to Obama as a black man? He's half white and all raised white. You should be disgusted that he shuns his white heritage.

racist weirdos

Hangman, huh? You're a weirdo.
In America, half black half white equals black. Now be honest, you'd rather he sat in the back of the bus.

Secession Is Constitutional...

Now wait just a minute. So are you saying that secession would've been OK under the presidency of Bush? I mean, since you were comparing him to King George.

Secession from the u. s.

Anymore?? Answer: Yes, always.

The Declaration of Independence was a secession ordinance. You know.... 'WHEN in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them,...'. So, secession is the primordial American political principle. Without it, there wouldn't have been a united States.

The 'union', or general government was created by the States via their individual, speaking only for themselves separately as States, ratifications of the compact we commonly call the Constitution. Via the 9th and 10th Amendments, the States made it abundantly clear that what they did not delegate to the general government, they retained. Secession is NOT expressly prohibited by the Constitution. As you say, the document is completely SILENT on the issue. Therefore, it logically follows that it must be one of the unenumerated rights protected by the 9th Amendment and irrevocably retained by the 10th Amendment. This understanding of things was well within the grasp of the people of the founding generation (and some of us yet today). Unfortunately, after 143 years of governemnt school brainwashing and 'ape' lincoln deification, the average American moron understands nothing and compliantly accepts the chains of slavery. God help us!!

As for the so-called 'civil war', it settled NOTHING except that a country of 22 million people (the u.s.) could invade, conquer, and subjugate a country of 9 million people (the CSA). As President Davis said, a question settled by violence or in disregard of the law remains unsettled forever. Only the atheist and barbarian holds that 'might makes right'.

Finally, we in the League of the South have been advocating
secession since 1994. We hold the two wings of the one, indivisible, and Marxist party in equal contempt. Barack Obama will change things? My ass!! Look at his actions so far. More of the status quo. It's time to board the dissolution wagon, folks.

Outer limits of irony

Being moron-baited by someone who thinks that the Republican Party is "Marxist" is too absurd to warrant comment. You guys understand Marx no better than the US Constitution or American history. But this level of hysterical irony doesn't come close that of Confederacy-nostalgists refering to US federal power with the highly ill-advised metaphor of chains of slavery. I almost dare to hope that this is satire. Almost.

Secession is a right, not a privlege

Specifically, it is an inalienable right, as inalienable as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, even if it isn't explicitly mentioned in the Declaration of Independence. And I can only speak for myself, but I have been pro-secession from Clinton through GW, to today. I think Obama is a better man the GW, but that doesn't change the fact that I believe that secession is a fundamental human right, and that those that deny my that right are abusing my human rights.
And its not just "right-wingers" advocating for secession. There are major secessionist groups in Vermont, Oregon & Washington State, and Hawaii, all three of which are pretty darned "leftist". A _lot_ of people think the United States of America is broken beyond repair, and wasn't such great shakes when it was functioning with what ounce of competence it once had. There's more people thinking that every day. And we will win.